I listen to The Thinking Atheist as often as possible, and tonight, on my drive home, I listened to the latest episode. This episode was all about whether or not Bill Nye (The Science Guy), should debate Ken Ham, (The Creationist Museum).
I must say, I was surprised at some of the opinions. All the guests who were on tonight are very much admired by me. I’ve watched, listened and read all of them. But.. I think some of them are misguided. Their responses were slightly varied, but (with few exceptions), along the lines of “He shouldn’t do it”, “..creationism shouldn’t be debated since it’s already been debunked”, and “He isn’t a debater”
Yeah, he isn’t a debater. Yeah, we are all a little nervous — can Bill Nye win this debate against Ken Ham? Can he pull it off and not fall into some trap that Ken Ham will lay? Can he not facepalm himself to death with the nonsense Ham touts? How can you debate somebody who makes stuff up? (Dinosaurs being ridden by man, anyone??). I hope Bill Nye can get past Ken Ham’s one liners, and pseudo-science. Ken Ham’s prepositional apologetic faith based “science” is sheer bullshit (and I’m $ure Ken Ham know$ it’$ bull$shit).
Can Bill Nye Win? What if he loses? I think there will be two winners here — The creationists will think Ken Ham won. Everyone else with a brain that works properly will think Bill Nye won.
But I don’t think that matters. What matters is this being seen AFTER the debate. Bill Nyes arguments will be seen by some 20 year old at 3am one Tuesday night, and it will change his life – maybe he will be the next Brian Cox. It’ll be seen by some 36-year-old guy who has begun to question his religion – maybe he’ll be the next Seth Andrews. It will be seen by a woman who has 3 kids, and by listening to Bill Nyes responses to what she thought she knew to be true, she will change what she teaches her children. Those children will grow up seeing the fucking awesomeness that is real, honest to goodness, peer reviewed, tried and tested science. This has happened before to people. Just substitute Bill Nye’s name for Chistopher Hitchens.
Why should we debate creationists??
- 46% of the American population believe in creation — that man was put on this earth in the form he is today, less than 10,000 years ago.
Let that sink in for a sec.
46%. Forty six per-fucking-cent. WTF, people?!?
- Towns and cities across the states are having to fight creationists to keep science IN schools. Texas Board of Education as just the latest example.
- States across the country are putting up bills into their legislature that would have creationism taught in schools alongside biology.
- There are 14 states, right this second, that are allowing schools to teach creationism in the classroom.
- We have Senators and Congressmen who are young earth creationists and have voices and votes that can, and will, push creationism even further into schools, discarding all evidence to the contrary.
This must change.
We need to show the creationists the truth of reality, of our world, of our history, of the amazing beauty that evolution is, and pulling the wool away from their eyes.
I agree very much with David Silverman (of American Atheists). I think creationists need to be brought down with a big smack of reality. I don’t think the objections to this debate are valid. Freethinkers have been debating the religious for years, and have brought about change. Debating a creationist, who has absolutely no proof to his claim (no peer review, no testing) is necessary and needed by our entire society.
I wish that Ken Ham had accepted the Houston Atheists challenge of a debate with PZ and Matt Dillahunty, (more seasoned debaters). But I will cheer behind Bill Nye. I’m sure he can pull it off.
I have to wonder, though, if all the naysayers (who think Bill Nye will fail), offered any help to prepare him, instead of just saying he shouldn’t be doing it. Or are they just going to sit back and watch, hoping they were right, as he falls flat on his ass?